[Geamond]

I once tried to get in between two sergeants fighting when I was in the Army and I got clocked by both of them. It's been 21 years, and I guess I need to re-learn that lesson.

My thoughts:
1) Let sleeping dogs lie. This unfortunate enmity was moving along toward its first half-life, and it didn't need to be given any more energy...

2) Hrafn isn't what it was. Maybe that's just the WAR side of things (it was still pretty reflective of its DAOC heyday {as I saw it} in WoW). Things decay/evolve, and between DAOC and WAR, that evolution was apparent, inevitable, and nobody's freakin fault. Hrafn is a website to me nowadays, not a viable guild. Lamentable, but no tragedy. I hope everyone retains fond memories of their favorite era, hope we don't dwell on the differences, and as factions evolve, hope they find unity of purpose. I also hope whoever they are, wherever they are, some of the good building blocks of Hrafn ideals remain. Sounds like they have, but the factions between sides in WAR are like Dark Elves and High Elves... There's no point dwelling on this shizzle anymore, K?

3) Power Fist made a noble effort to build and organize a chapter on PT Order at a time when all currents were working against that. He has my praise, appreciation, and gratitude.

3a) Take it from a kayaker: You don't fight river currents for more than a little while. They carve mountains.

3b) At a time when the game was dying quickly from cancellations, the Destro chapter felt an urgent need to move with their alliance. I appreciate that need and that sense of urgency, and I hold nothing against anyone over there for that (except that you're all evil Destro pukes: I'll never forgive that!)

4) It's unfortunate that these currents went the way that they did, but I wish the disaffected parties would let bygones be bygones, wish each other well like adults, and get on to doing whatever makes them feel good feelings and happy, rather than what's gone on here since Ostermark was forced to close down.

5) Peace.

I quote the Lord Humongus: "Just walk away!"

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Lheyani Rank 20 Swordmaster, Phoenix Throne
Hoefen Rank 4 Warrior Priest (PT)

[Croi]

Well, maybe you should read the charter again. If you denounce your membership within a chapterN and wish to rejoin that chapter, you must start again as a Dreng and subject to a new Thing. Now if would have said, hey guys I am just going to try another server things would be differnt but you did't. And you are right about not knowing how many of us there where so I will tell you now we had about at least 9 of us maybe more online but others involved might remember better then me but this attack on me is unwarented.

Bottomline is this comes down to perception. If you would of had stayed with us we wouldn't be haveing this conversation right now. I am sorry we where not good enough for you but your actions helped create this problem.

By your own word you say Vortex has population issues so even if we did move to Vortex, we would have lost at least 3 members who did not want to play on a core server. Then we would not have our alliance and the end result would be no more chapter for us, and would be hard for us to have fu. Instead you think it is right for the order guild to have precedence even though you have aslo stated you where soloing the guild to lev 6. You can blame us for all you want.

But once again you are trying to make me seem like I am selfish but in reality things I have done had our chapter in mind and you are right, we did not weigh in the entire guid's opinion because most of the guild turned it back on us also when they left Destruction. It is fine with me that people leave for personal reasons, to make sure they have fun doing whatever they want, but none of them left the way you did, some things you can't timestamp, or rtead a post that has been edited to remove things said but since I can't fully prove this it doesn't matter cause you will just quote and timestamp us to death.

Think of me what you will, I feel we made the right choice even if you can't see it because of the poor choices you made. You alienated yourself from us and no matter how hard you try to make me look bad, that fact still remains. Now you will repost and I expect this but I am done here. I said what I had to say and I refuse to keep going back and forth with you since I no longer respect you and I can tell you don't respect me either.
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Croi Gunthak - Hand of Thor - Guinevere
Croi - Squig Herder - Ostermark

"Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's comming to you. I'll Bite your legs off!!"

[skyhawke]

Holy shit folks, drop it already!

[Croi]

Well aparently the charter has changed since this last time I read it. At one point it read if you leave a chapter. New thing was needed. I am not accusing anyone of changeing it but I read it at one point now it reads completely differnt or I mis read it, very possable. I apologize for this mis-quote.
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Croi Gunthak - Hand of Thor - Guinevere
Croi - Squig Herder - Ostermark

"Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's comming to you. I'll Bite your legs off!!"

[Croi]

Very good point, and I am willing to drop this. I am willing to forgive also but only if the attacks on our character stops.
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Croi Gunthak - Hand of Thor - Guinevere
Croi - Squig Herder - Ostermark

"Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's comming to you. I'll Bite your legs off!!"

[Power Fist]

[Croi]

So true, I wasted my time and yours, please read my apology post.
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Croi Gunthak - Hand of Thor - Guinevere
Croi - Squig Herder - Ostermark

"Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's comming to you. I'll Bite your legs off!!"